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A conversation with philosopher Maurizio Lazzarato on the links between the use of force, inequality and the ecological crisis

Maurizio Lazzarato is a sociologist and a philosopher, and a researcher at the French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS) and at Pantheon-Sorbonne University (University Paris I). He is also a member of the Collège international de philosophie (CIPh). Lazzarato has been critically thinking and writing about capitalism, debt, neoliberalism, always attentive to questions of subjectivity, communication, and the media.

In this episode, we talked about neoliberalism, populism, fascism, authoritarianism, and how the use of force, inequality and the ecological crisis are connected. In his recent book “Capital hates everyone: Fascism or Revolution,” Lazzarato argued that capital functions in a logic of war, dominating ever more aspects of social life and turning liberal societies increasingly less democratic. We talked to him about how the climate crisis fits into his analytical framework. Lazzarato’s work brings crucial concepts and perspectives that can help us to think through the relationship between what is possible and what is impossible in face of the climate emergency. 

You can find the English transcription of the interview here and the German translation here. A French transcript of the episode is also available.

This episode was recorded in French and translated into english. You can listen to our interview with Maurizio Lazzarato on Spotify (English or French), SoundClound (English or French) and Apple Podcast (English or French).